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    Of the top of my head i remember Sonatine mentioning painting, Krypt mentioning oil painting and SS working in the visual arts. Where are you and anyone else i don't know about with setups, background, future aspirations and everything else related you can come up with.

    For myself i sort of regained my interest for therapeutic and possible monetary interest in a career in visual art few years ago. I gave up sketching/writing about 15 years ago.

    I started graffiti when i was 13 and kept at it for the next 10ish years. At the time i had to make a choice between vandalism and art. I chose vandalism. Three decades later graffiti has gained some respectability as an established art form. It always shared fundamentals with calligraphy/typography and slightly less with other non text based art forms. Still it has a limited appeal to general public.

    Few years ago when i regained interest i started with what i knew and then moved to closest more respectable and more accessible art form. Abstract art. I study illustration as personal pet project with zero interest at ever working in the industry. It's very mildly beneficial to anything that i have realistic chance at ever making any coin at.

    Graffiti gives you a stunted tool set at base fundamentals. Line, basic form, highlights and drop shadows, some sense of color theory and basic composition. Negative space and how to make images quite literally readable. And something that is lost in fine arts is time and space. Something that mostly has appreciation in commercial art. Limitations that you learn when you have real skin in the game.

  • #2
    post is worthy of a forum of its own probably.

    i have a fairly deep contemporary art background focusing on post war abstract impressionist painting / sculpture.

    regarding meat space / gallery art, despite the common sentiment there is not actually very much good work being generated on canvas. lots of good work coming out of japan which is somehow unsurprising considering their temperament and their locality to the defining incident that spawned the entire abstract impressionist modern movement. but very little philosophically mature work being done in color field, so on. lots of people imitating rothko, bacon, pollock but even established artists seem to be swinging and missing. i was very excited to hear about some new julian schnabel works not so long ago, i felt like the drought might be over, and they left me totally unmoved. i have no doubt they sold quickly.

    lots of money being sunk into investment art. koons et all are bankable. the rest of the concerns are irrelevant.

    the graffiti styles fizzled, of course. futura did what he could but even he ended up a sideshow act. much of the best work was on parking lot walls in downtown san francisco in the early/mid 90s, arguably, and was done by crews of anonymous asian kids from daly city. when people discuss basquiat, the credibility chain leads to twombley, not al diaz. which is not unfair, of course.

    to you say this, lean into digital and get into NFT:

    https://medium.com/@mojkripto.com/di...s-5ef32890bb4e

    surprising amount of money being invested in this. logically it seems absurd but somehow this is the new bitcoin.

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    • #3
      speaking of parking lot walls, i remember a great story. i used to live in alphabet city in ny back in the days before it started to get snatched up by developers.

      some guy bought an absolute burnt out shit hole of a shooting gallery for like 80k. just a total teardown. one day he gets a call from the demo crews GM, 'you should come down here...'.

      guy jumps in a cab, expecting they found a fucking body or something. GM leads him into the basement and shines his flashlight on the far wall; the entire thing is covered by a mural by basquiat.

      long story short, his 80k brownstone was immediately worth 10x as much. iirc that wall ended up (very) professionally removed and consigned to the MOMA.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sonatine View Post
        post is worthy of a forum of its own probably.

        i have a fairly deep contemporary art background focusing on post war abstract impressionist painting / sculpture.

        regarding meat space / gallery art, despite the common sentiment there is not actually very much good work being generated on canvas. lots of good work coming out of japan which is somehow unsurprising considering their temperament and their locality to the defining incident that spawned the entire abstract impressionist modern movement. but very little philosophically mature work being done in color field, so on. lots of people imitating rothko, bacon, pollock but even established artists seem to be swinging and missing. i was very excited to hear about some new julian schnabel works not so long ago, i felt like the drought might be over, and they left me totally unmoved. i have no doubt they sold quickly.

        lots of money being sunk into investment art. koons et all are bankable. the rest of the concerns are irrelevant.

        the graffiti styles fizzled, of course. futura did what he could but even he ended up a sideshow act. much of the best work was on parking lot walls in downtown san francisco in the early/mid 90s, arguably, and was done by crews of anonymous asian kids from daly city. when people discuss basquiat, the credibility chain leads to twombley, not al diaz. which is not unfair, of course.

        to you say this, lean into digital and get into NFT:

        https://medium.com/@mojkripto.com/di...s-5ef32890bb4e

        surprising amount of money being invested in this. logically it seems absurd but somehow this is the new bitcoin.
        Yea this could spiral in to never ending walls of text. So i'll just pick a few points.

        Sideshow thing was definitely real. With kids being paraded around the world from those 1st generation writers. Somewhat contrived origins of hip-hop in relation to that. There wasn't really a culture before it was documented, packaged and shipped overseas. Those early writers that could make living of it were pigeonholed to the styles they were known for. Any kind of evolution was reversely correlated to how much money you could make of it.

        Albert Diaz got to tell his story some years ago. Not completely forgotten, but going of his 7k followers on IG not exactly compensated for his part.

        Investment art really is it's own thing. Kinda reminds me of stonks with the sentiment that value of certain artists will only go up.

        Abstract art is interesting by the sheer amount of complete BS surrounding it. How badly general public can evaluate it. Likely waning push from art schools that lasted 30-40 years that abstract/contemporary art is only thing worth teaching. Necessity and importance of artist statements. That type of thing.

        Internet did it's share in creating a middle class of fine art and denting the gallery dominance. Created a space between blue chip and almost worthless. Slightly less nepotistic routes for a living.

        Need of commercial art and illustrators. Magazines and book covers died, but games and animation created exponentially more jobs. Domination of virtual space.

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        • #5
          Graffiti still evolves in waves. What started as a game by teenageagers has matured. There's been significant waves usually tied to certain writers/crews dominating a style that gets emulated to death.

          Daim was one in the 90s. A danish architecture student at the time.

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          MSK crew from your side of the sea in 00s.

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          Sofles from Australia in 10s.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXskp89Cm8w

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          • #6
            From SF 90s writers of the top of my head i can only come up with Twist and KR. I think they were both from other parts of the country. KR came from NY in the early 90s and returned at some point. He made his name in SF and was mostly known for chrome ink he made. He leveraged that to a company Krink that sells pricy hand crafted inks and markers. His marketing strategy was giving free paint to right hands like Irak crew.

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            • #7
              that shits DOPE.

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              • #8
                funny side note, apropos of nothing.. when i stayed in bangkok in 2010, bangkok was suffering this huge pull back in its real estate sector, like everywhere you looked were half finished / abandoned buildings. and driving from the airport, i saw.. on the inside of this gutted out stairwell on a half finished concrete skeleton of a building .. i shit you not, a DONDI piece.

                i have no idea if it was a fake or if it had been sitting there for 15.. 20 odd years or whatever.. probably a fake but what an insanely obscure gesture if so.

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                • #9
                  but yeah just on the fine art tip i really thought the internet would be some sort of grand democratizing element and id be able to pick and choose from various actual gifted artists and buy actual whole ass art and man o man i just cant find it out there. like at any price.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sonatine View Post
                    funny side note, apropos of nothing.. when i stayed in bangkok in 2010, bangkok was suffering this huge pull back in its real estate sector, like everywhere you looked were half finished / abandoned buildings. and driving from the airport, i saw.. on the inside of this gutted out stairwell on a half finished concrete skeleton of a building .. i shit you not, a DONDI piece.

                    i have no idea if it was a fake or if it had been sitting there for 15.. 20 odd years or whatever.. probably a fake but what an insanely obscure gesture if so.
                    Cool find. It could be either way. For the longest time Asia was big for graffiti tourism. A lot of American and European tourists. The usual reasons of laxer laws/getting away with bribes and just generally cheaper cost of living.

                    Dondi, Lee, Blade, white Seen and 20 odd names from that generation were really copied/emulated. The 2 earliest books and films where they were featured in formed the basis of culture in many areas before it took to different directions.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sonatine View Post
                      but yeah just on the fine art tip i really thought the internet would be some sort of grand democratizing element and id be able to pick and choose from various actual gifted artists and buy actual whole ass art and man o man i just cant find it out there. like at any price.
                      Either commissions or originals from their own sites/shops would be my best bet. The issue is obv that you really need to know where too look and internet appears to be a very big place.

                      But yea originals are hard to come by. Working outside the gallery system usually means that their revenue streams are split to 20 different side hustles. Teaching sites, Patreon, promotions, merch, Youtube and 15 other things. Some artists save their originals for the future and often artists stop taking commissions once they have more convenient ways of monetizing their work.

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                      • #12
                        imagine how fucking bad you have to be down to be threatened with having your accreditation as a museum revoked.

                        and seriously how perfect is it that this is in orlando.

                        https://hyperallergic.com/795081/orl...basquiat-show/

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