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    That was random year i looked up, when somewhere there was a mention that in the last 10 years there have been maybe 10-15 decent movies.

    The 10 highest grossing movies that year were...

    Back to the Future
    Rambo 2
    Beverly Hills Cop
    Rocky 4
    Cocoon
    The Dream is Alive
    Witness
    The Goonies
    Police Acedemy 2
    Fantasia

    ...3 of those i don't remember, 2 are whatever and 5 are pretty strong movies in their own categories. Fantasia obv wasn't made in 85. I think it was released in 40 and turned profit in 69.

    Outside top 10 titles that pop up for me...

    Fletch
    Spies Like Us
    The Breakfast Club
    The Jewel of Nile
    Mad Max
    Commando
    Clue
    Brazil

    ...the point i'm making that i don't really need to dig too deep to find 10 entertaining and memorable movies on any given year in the 80s. Today a year with 2 movies is better than average. Half the movies on that second list i wouldn't watch today. Also wouldn't go out my way to claim Commando was good even when it first came out, but i wasn't bored and i still remember few random scenes.
    Last edited by sonatine; 01-14-2022, 07:37 PM.

  • #2
    2015 was probably the best year in the 2011-2019 category. The Big Short, Sicario and The Hateful Eight first pop up. There's few outside of those that i didn't mind seeing at the time, but i doubt i would watch a second time. Not really clearing my schedule to watch The Hateful Eight again either, but it passes the entertaining and memorable box at least. I wouldn't say i remember anything from the latest Tarantino movie and i think i could come up with 10 movies that i would rather watch from Tarantino, Pitt and DiCaprio each (assuming we can count True Romance, Natural Born Killers and/or 4 rooms, Sin City doesn't count).

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    • #3
      ok i just accidentally edited your post one sec

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      • #4
        ok back to business wtf there have been SO many good-to-great films, not even decent, in the last decade.

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        • #5
          ok i cant think of any you didnt mention but the green knight right now but i know in my heart we're right

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          • #6
            wolf of wall st deserves some respect, least of all considering how shite the source material was.

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            • #7
              I skipped looking at 2020 and 2021 for obvious reasons. There was a bigger drought than normal followed by over saturation that to a degree should still continue.

              I counted Wolf of Wall Street and that was in 2013. 2013 was also the year that started DC Extended Universe. Every DC related movie excluding Joker in the last decade is in that universe.

              2000s gave us The Dark Knight vs Shazam! in 2010s. Snyder made The Watchmen in 2009 vs Justice League in 2017. 2021 Snyder Cut doesn't help this case.

              2000s was Lord of the Rings vs Star Wars remakes in 2010s. The Hobbit series started the decade though. Looking at the rest of the decade they're somewhere in top 20.

              2008 was when Tropic Thunder released. Can't really come up with a single comedy after that.

              X-Men came out in 2000. I used to watch every superhero movie. I stopped doing that about 10 years ago.

              For crime movies there's maybe 4-5 decent picks for 2010s. The Town in 2010 was kinda last of it's kind. The Drive and Joker probably belong here even though i would never rewatch either. White Boy Rick was solid. And then The Irishman. Irishman mostly reminds me that they're still alive and they used to make top 20 all time crime movies. For mob movies everyone involved dominates the top 10. For The Irishman i think i could come up with 100 crime movies i would rather watch and for everyone involved i can easily come up with 10 movies each.

              Oh and for the record i don't make the claim that the last 10 years was uniquely bad. 2000s was maybe twice as good. 90s 4x and 80s 8x. Likely a smoother curve and i would probably see the peek around 75-85. Either by a random metric of entertaining/memorable or makes the top 100 of it's relative category.

              I would have to look up TV shows with a similar scale, but without doing that i would put their peak in maybe 2005-2015 and i might do the same for videogames. The bigger premise would be that even though all forms of recorded visual media gained resources and technical talent in the last 40-50 years the creative talent shifted away from movies and you can tell.

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              • #8
                minor point; i dont think the creative talent shifted away, i think the financial decisions were driven by lowest common denominator profit motives and those are, to be frank, rarely very creative.

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                • gimmick
                  gimmick commented
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                  Money does create a push/pull effect for top talent and rare best of both worlds spots where people don't have to choose with mediocre income and doing something they enjoy. That spot didn't exist for too many people involved with TV 30 years ago. You don't need top talent to write serialized formulaic crap.

              • #9
                my list so far, asterisk for movies im not willing to argue against the removal of:

                wolf of wall street
                sicario
                watchmen
                big short
                looper
                zero dark 30*
                oldboy
                american hustle
                gravity*
                ex machina
                edge of tomorrow / live die repeat
                a most violent year <-- fucking underrated btw
                THE REVENANT [ CAPS LOCKED FOR ACCENT; THIS SHOULD COUNT AS LIKE 7 FILMS ON ITS OWN]
                black mass* [ included because a lot of people who were in the mix said it deserves respect ]
                arrival
                annihilation*
                climax
                uncut gems
                parasite
                dune
                green knight
                dunkirk


                and im casting a super, super small net here. im not even including MCU stuff, or movies that are openly acknowledged to be great but i havent seen personally (with one or two exceptions), or the lions share of south korean / japanese new wave cinema masterpieces that have been hitting lately.

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                • #10
                  one could easily triple that list if you really embraced the lower end boundary that 'decent' describes.

                  one thing i realized as i scrolled through lists of films is that, per your comment, it IS harder to find stuff since 2015, the drop off is actually shocking.

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                  • gimmick
                    gimmick commented
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                    Yea pretty much only thing I'm saying. Watchmen was 2009. When you look back a decade either from 2021 to 2012 or take the 2010-2019 period then the 10-15 movies isn't too far off and that was surprising.

                • #11
                  I generally assumed that everyone looking back at the movies would mostly include stuff from genres they enjoy and/or high water marks by some semi random objective metric. I have no idea about horror or romantic comedies so i didn't include them for the most part. I just assumed that for most people there was a decline.

                  I haven't been bored in the last 10 years. Streaming services made accessing the back catalogue of Movies very easy and TV hasn't declined as much.

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                  • #12
                    First Sicario obv makes the list for crime movies.

                    I was looking at the GoT money side and by random estimates pilot was $5-10m. The first season was $50-60m. How that relates to movie budgets of it's time is pretty parabolic compared 20 years before that. Creative side of that being even able to get the rights to the source material and ability to tie talent for years to that project. I wouldn't say DnD with GoT qualifies as creative, but they had bullets to buy the talent and they did a good job as showrunners as long as they were glorified book editors.

                    In every space good things happen without money, but they don't necessarily stay there after success. The Push part being that there isn't money for projects they are interested in after leveling up and Pull part being that higher paying jobs aren't being offered elsewhere.

                    Say with Trainspotting that was made with a relatively small £1.5m budget. The actors in it came from TV, Theatre and a random night club. After it did ok for itself the top billed talent did not return there for a while. They all made movies for the next 10-15 years. Combination of fading star power and bigger TV budgets was needed. As a random tidbit, Trainspotting was able to get Lou Reed and Iggy Pop for their soundtrack because David Bowie liked Danny Boyle's first movie.

                    TV and Theatre used to be farm league for Movies. It's less clear now, except theater is probably worse off.

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                    • sonatine
                      sonatine commented
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                      food for thought; GoT budget was fucking awful and they secured a lot of production talent based on the implied revenue from being attached to a high profile HBO project. but for example they wanted brian cox in the mix and when he saw what they were able to pay, he told them to go fuck themselves. see also: the appalling dragon vfx later on and general chop shop quality of the white walker hoards.

                    • gimmick
                      gimmick commented
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                      They obv picked unrefined/undiscovered and/or past their peak talent. The point being that a high profile HBO project wasn't a thing in the past. There's so much stuff outside acting/writing that costs a lot even if you half ass a good chunk of it. I think you could draw a rough parallel with LoTR movies. Somehow Sean Bean was in both of them.

                  • #13
                    Got sidetracked from looking up crime movies in the 2000s, but this should be pretty easy by including just the year 2000...

                    Brother
                    Chopper
                    Memento
                    Nine Queens
                    O Brother, Where Art Though
                    Sexy Beast
                    Snatch
                    Traffic

                    ...and that should almost match the entire 2010s. Might as well glance the rest of the decade...

                    Training Day
                    25th Hour
                    City of God
                    Gangs of New York
                    Ripley's Game
                    Collateral
                    The Lady Killers
                    Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
                    Sin City
                    The Black Dahlia
                    American Gangster
                    Eastern Promises
                    The Departed
                    No Country for Old Men
                    Bronson
                    The Dark Knight

                    ...and that's pretty much just the very best of the decade.

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                    • Sanlmar
                      Sanlmar commented
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                      The marvel sci fi franchise is omitted obviously and correctly.
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