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    1st episode of sandman is out in less than a week...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Cl...hannel=Netflix

    ...maybe they didn't butcher it. Out of other Gaiman things 1st season of American Gods was great and Lucifer was always pretty bad. Good Omens was ok.

  • #2
    1st GoT spinoff.

    Kleo sounded interesting.

    Same with Mike.

    If anyone is pot commited...

    there's Walking Dead thingie and Power thingie.

    ...and then there's 2 shows that have been OKish...

    Industry and City on a Hill

    ...can't think of anything else. Doubt Beavis and Butthead reboot is worth anyone's time. I have no idea who they expect to watch it.

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    • #3
      you know whats funny, i hear the beavis and butthead revival is actually worth the effort to watch. mike judge is good at his job so im willing to roll the dice.

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      • #4
        I turned my teenage kids onto Beavis and Butt-Head. They love that shit.

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        • #5
          Better Call Saul - 3 episodes left and it’s probably the most excited I’ve been for a show since GOT. At least the ending can’t possibly be worse than that.

          Speaking of GOT; I’ll certainly watch the new series, but I’d be lying if I said I was even slightly excited about it. I guess silver lining is it’s good going in with low expectations so I can’t possibly be disappointed.

          i haven’t watched the latest episode yet but The Rehearsal is worth a watch in my opinion. Nathan Felder might just be a genius.

          Oh yeah and I did enjoy Industry season one so I’ll give the new season a chance as well.

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          • sonatine
            sonatine commented
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            fuck industry came out of the gate strong this season

        • #6
          the thing about GOT is i legit feel like a different person than i was when GOT aired, which is fair because it premiered 11 years ago and christ knows a lot has changed in the world since then.

          i will absofuckinglutely tune in to peep it because hey, miracles happen, but im expecting nothing but shitty wigs and bad acting and disappointment.

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          • #7
            im watching Sandman and honestly i really, really, really like it.

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            • #8
              It was ok. I don't i agree with single deviation from the source material they made though. It doesn't really help that Neil Gaiman is always full of shit when it comes to promoting his IP. Somehow he's the least reliable source of his own source material.

              Like he doesn't mind mentioning that only reason why he included John Constantine in the original was an established fanbase, but in the adaptation we're supposed to believe he was always going for diversity and only heard afterwards that they had problem with the rights to John Constantine. Like GTFO with that BS.

              And then there's the trucker lesbian Lucifer. Originally the character is based on young David Bowie. I'm not exactly getting Ziggy Stardust vibes from tv adaptation. I have no idea why anyone would need to explain that with androgynous characters effeminate men and masculine women are not the same thing.

              Death is whatever...

              https://www.comicmix.com/wp-content/...1/Cindeath.jpg

              ...also the depiction was based on an actual person. Not really fan of rewriting history when it involves erasing the dead, because of a shitty fad that's already dying. Now obviously quite a few characters are able to change their physical appearance in this world, but the way they were presented when first introduced is part of the story. They read differently and the chameleon thing sort of flies out of the window when were introduced to ethnically diverse British Isles in the middle ages.

              All of it is just so unnecessary. Maybe someone needs to remake Roots with an all Asian cast.

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              • #9
                every single person ive heard express disappointment with Sandman had deep exposure to the source material, which i actually dont. so for me its a lovely little feast for the senses. for previous fans its basically something between a lackluster money grab and a vague homage. as is so often the case.

                ill finish off the season tonight and report back but yeah, im having fun, shrug. like the world would be abjectly better if there were another 10-20 hours a week of material like this to ingest.

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                • #10
                  aug 24 yall

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ux_ipIsNyo

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                  • #11
                    im starting to fast forward through the rose walker scenes. 2 more eps to go.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by sonatine View Post
                      every single person ive heard express disappointment with Sandman had deep exposure to the source material, which i actually dont. so for me its a lovely little feast for the senses. for previous fans its basically something between a lackluster money grab and a vague homage. as is so often the case.

                      ill finish off the season tonight and report back but yeah, im having fun, shrug. like the world would be abjectly better if there were another 10-20 hours a week of material like this to ingest.
                      It's still something like 8/10 for a show and I don't mind seeing more seasons. But more than a dozen race/gender swaps seems a little excessive.

                      Then there's the issue of forced diversity from a perspective of a white man. At this point Morpheus is starting to look like a plantation owner. All of his "employees" live in eternal servitude. Everyone except Aunt Jemima had escaped in the beginning. They're being punished for being uppity. He erases one of them for desiring to be something else.

                      One of the few black men that was swapped gets a white woman pregnant while he's on the lam and get's locked up few days after that. Him being dead the whole time does very little to hinder any of this.

                      None of the swaps improve the story in any way and all they do is create weird plot holes.

                      Death in the source material is the only sibling that resembles Morpheus. Mimicking appearance is a very easy visual shorthand for affection. Their parents are quite white obv.

                      Desire is Rose and Jed Walkers grandfather. Guess they didn't get any features from that side of the family.

                      Unity was apparently from a wealthy black family that were very common in the first decade of the 20th century Britain.

                      I just hate girl boss Constantine in general. John knew how to behave around someone that can haunt your dreams for an eternity. People tend to do that when they're not wearing plot armor.

                      Lucifer isn't remotely believable as ruler of hell.

                      Oh and for other miscasts wtf is up with the raven that's playing Patton Oswalt.

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                      • #13
                        This was from two months ago...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASJb...el=JustSomeGuy

                        ...roughly how I feel about it. The model wasn't Gaiman's friend though, she was the original artists friend. Race swap just changes the story. Bizarro timeline they are in doesn't really help. 1916 was the year when Sandman was imprisoned and by his own words he lived in cage for over a century. So it's supposedly around 2020ish, but they lift entire scenes with costumes/styles and backgrounds from the late 80s. That's just lazy.

                        The source material never was apolitical or non inclusive. Today it likely seems dated. Something you can expect from contemporary fantasy from 30 years ago.

                        Sprinkling gay and melanin in an effort to out do it's own past is just the laziest shit I can think of. With roughly zero fucks given on how it impacts even the scene they're creating not to mention continuity.

                        I didn't mind Desire's casting though since at least the bitch looks like the character and doesn't fuck up the continuity. It's somewhat silly if only reason for that choice was being non binary irl. Fairly sure there's this thing called acting that sorts these things out. For example Fry's characters sexuality doesn't seem too relevant nor do I know how sex works with scenery to begin with.

                        Death's actress is fine, but there's no contrast with her appearance to her personality and something is lost with the dynamic between Death and Sandman. Her outfit today doesn't mean anything anymore. And then the copout of various characters ability to change their sex/race to suit their environment goes out the window when Endless look the way they look in the comic when they are just among themselves. In the comic the pale white goth girl was Deaths true form and how she was introduced in the first scene with Sandman that's recreated in EP 6. Also why the fuck she looks the way she does in 14th century Britain though?

                        I don't think the show is just a cash grab. They just went with the laziest possible way to "modernize" the story. In about 20 years we might get the truth of how much it was Gaiman and how much it was Netflix behind this.

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                        • #14
                          The entire vortex arc was pretty boring. The cereal convention was fun. The source material was episodic and serialized. It was churned out with a pretty tight schedule. So there was plenty weaker material. It didn't really even get to full gear in the parts that are covered in the show.

                          I have no idea how it has held up. I ended up ordering the first 30ish episodes, Deaths spinoffs and Sandman's origin story collection. That's 1500 pages I'll likely never read unless I start smoking weed again. It's been more than 20 years since I read the first 3. Origin stuff came out 2015 and I never read it.

                          Ps. It was darker and weirder than the show. I think it originally started as a horror series and slowly evolved towards dark fantasy.

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                          • #15
                            ill have a more involved opinion once i polish off the remaining 2 eps tonight but this rapidly became my principle concern;


                            does neil gaiman have a black person fetish?

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